Tuesday, January 05, 2010

A Lovely & Concise Thought for the Day

'Science is the poetry of reality.'
--English biologist Richard Dawkins. You can learn more about him at his website, which bills itself as "a clear-thinking oasis." Judging by this line, we'd be hard-pressed to disagree.

24 Comments:

At 4:13 PM, Blogger Kass said...

I agree about science being poetry, but Dawkins was a little heavy-handed for me in The God Delusion.

 
At 4:16 PM, Blogger John Ettorre said...

I really didn't know anything about him, though I recognized the name, so I'll have to read up a little to learn more.

 
At 5:53 AM, Blogger Elisabeth said...

I suppose it depends on which reality we are talking about. There are many 'realities', many different perspectives and I imagine science with a capital 'S' is one of many.

 
At 6:11 AM, Blogger John Ettorre said...

Oh, now I remember who this guy is--the militant atheist who ridicules people of faith, even calling it delusional. I take back everything I said about him. But I still like the way he put this, even if his larger philosophy is distasteful.

 
At 11:45 AM, Blogger Art Durkee said...

One could also say that poetry is the science of truth.

 
At 12:01 PM, Blogger John Ettorre said...

I was thinking the same thing, Art.

 
At 9:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Nature is the art of God."

-Dante

 
At 5:31 PM, Blogger Diane Vogel Ferri said...

Before i read the comments I was thinking that the quote reminded me of my view that science and God are not in conflict to me at all. They are both parts of the same world.

 
At 5:36 PM, Blogger John Ettorre said...

I'm glad you mentioned that, Diane, because that's precisely the reaction I had and it was the same spirit in which I posted this. There is no conflict between the two. We merely tend to invent them, for a number of reasons which would take decades to outline, I suppose. But no less an authority than Einstein found little or no conflict between physics and the idea that god has a guiding hand in the cosmos.

 
At 2:21 PM, Anonymous Mr. Bluster said...

Einstein about his religious views"

"I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God."

"I believe in Spinoza’s God, who reveals Himself in the lawful harmony of the world, not in a God Who concerns Himself with the fate and the doings of mankind."

"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly.”

"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."

 
At 2:23 PM, Blogger John Ettorre said...

Now there's a name that's a sight for sore eyes. Welcome back, amigo. And come to think of it, I believe you've pointed this very thing out in the past. Thanks for keeping us honest.

 
At 2:40 PM, Anonymous Mr. Bluster said...

Wouldn't be surprised if my chain got jerked previously.

There is a distinction between atheism and antitheism: lack of belief in a deity vs. active opposition to theism.

Clearly, Dawkins is in both camps. I think he's decided that sitting back while aggressive theists of all stripes impose their will on the world has had negative consequences.

As has been said elsewhere, there is very little difference between an atheist and, say, a Christian. They overwhelmingly agree in their disbelief in countless gods fielded over the millenia. The atheist simply disbelieves in one more.

 
At 2:42 PM, Anonymous Mr. Bluster said...

Or lacks belief in one more, I should say.

 
At 2:52 PM, Blogger John Ettorre said...

I'm not sure there's ever been a comment here that I disagreed with more, this notion of there being very little difference between Christians and atheists. I find it hard to believe that anyone would try to make that argument with any seriousness. It seems more like a party trick designed to spark a rousing debate.

 
At 3:24 PM, Anonymous Mr. Bluster said...

I didn't mean it glibly. It is a numerical fact, though, the observation of which puts a different light on the matter.

For years, Isaac Hayes voiced the character of 'Chef' on "South Park," and a more caustic show toward a wide range of personal beliefs you will not find.

Apparently Hayes was fine with the goring of all those sacred oxen, until came the show that made fun of Scientology. He quit soon afterwards.

An atheist would seem to have in common with Hayes a lack of belief in almost all religions, including Christianity, Islam, etc.

 
At 3:30 PM, Blogger John Ettorre said...

Scientology--now there's an interesting belief system. And I do know you not to be glib. You just like to be provocative, especially on this subject.

 
At 4:16 PM, Anonymous Mr. Bluster said...

Wikipedia says of Scientology:

"Xenu was, according to the founder of Scientology and science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard, the dictator of the "Galactic Confederacy" who, 75 million years ago, brought billions of his people to Earth in a DC-8-like spacecraft, stacked them around volcanoes and killed them using hydrogen bombs."

Sounds a lot like like modern air travel.

 
At 4:20 PM, Blogger John Ettorre said...

Or something straight out of Marvel Comics.

 
At 4:30 PM, Anonymous Mr. Bluster said...

Well, let's bring it back to the theme of this blog.

"Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion" ---L. Ron Hubbard

 
At 4:35 PM, Anonymous Mr. Bluster said...

One more item:

Frederik Pohl is a famous science fiction writer. He is 90, and writes a terrific blog.

In it, he told a fascinating personal story about L. Ron Hubbard, chick magnet:

http://www.thewaythefutureblogs.com/tag/hubbard-l-ron/

 
At 4:41 PM, Anonymous Mr. Bluster said...

Sorry, got that URL wrong. Try this:

http://www.thewaythefutureblogs.com/2009/09/the-worlds-of-l-ron-hubbard-part-2/

 
At 4:42 PM, Blogger John Ettorre said...

That Hubbard quote about starting your own religion made me laugh, hard. What a piece of work he was (or is?) Is he still alive?

 
At 4:48 PM, Anonymous Mr. Bluster said...

He left us physically in 1986, However, according to the Church of Scientology, he is now living "on a planet a galaxy away."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Ron_Hubbard#Later_life

 
At 4:58 PM, Blogger John Ettorre said...

I should have guessed!

 

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